Tuesday, April 19, 2016

Fringe Theories: Settlers not Aliens made Rock Walls in California



The Secret of the Bay Area Walls
I'm going to use my actual own quotes from my recent rant on Jason Calavito's blog site, a published blogger and skeptic I have gone to for free and wrote on his blog wall as Kal. It is easier that way since for the walls it's kind of long. I do not know this person at all, although some of the bloggers seem to be misinformed as to my motives, since I find trolls often and mention PT Barnum a lot, but really I have not met him.

From Marco Polo Discovers America, an America Unearthed episode review.

Kal
12/21/2014 12:23am
Oh, had I known SW was not 4 miles from my current location messing with Ed Levin Park I would have had to go and pester his film crew! But it looks like he was pretending he was there, because that park is on county land above Milpitas and Fremont, not in San Jose, which is the other side of the valley, (and the greener foothills) and 40 miles from San Francisco. 

On the Mt. Diablo and Mt. Hamilton side you get the dry hills. (San Jose is actually larger than San Francisco, but we call it 'the city' anyway). The Ed Levin park people know who built the rock walls behind the park. Settlers. As for the ones in Berkeley, probably other settlers. Milpitas has over 74,000 people. San Jose has over half a million. The whole county has a million.

The walls were not there before the Spanish. The early settlers included Portuguese and Spanish ranchers. Since they were in an arid place with little trees they used stone to mark the edge of their territories. The valley and the opposite side, Santa Cruz and all, had a lot more trees being closer to the ocean. They didn't need rock walls. So at least at the county park they're just settlers' walls. They're not that old. It's also possible Ohlone helped to mark the walls but settlers were more common. 

The walls likely were erected between the 1700s and the 1900s. They are...colonial. Sorry SW. Wrong again. California under the Spanish was settled even before it was an official state, and was a territory of Spain and Mexico. SW doesn't recall that. The city names and trails that lead to San Francisco were all part of a massive mission trail going all the way to the city and up north a bit.


Kal
12/21/2014 12:28am
Actually there are some walls in the Santa Cruz hills too and some on the other side of San Jose, so technically if he went to Alum Rock first it would have looked a little like the Ed Levin region. I suppose he thinks Alum Rock refers to some kind of mythical group called the Alum. Lol. It's named after a special rock, but not the KRS. Maybe SW should have went in search of the rock. It's interesting looking up close, but hardly left by giants or aliens.

Kal
12/21/2014 2:11am
The clear genetic evidence of Asian looking Native Americans from several instances of either island hopping through the Pacific, or polar ice and land bridge hopping from Siberia, at the end of the ice age, point to there being Asians in America long before Columbus. Whether or not they sailed in stone age times or after is not well documented. Also there would be a reason for there not to be records in China of later voyages, before the settlers in colonial times, that most of the voyages to America before it was called that would have bee one way. They never went back. They kept going. They settled here (and in South and Central America). It wasn't until colonial times that ships were built well enough to come and go if they wishes.

It's not like the Scandinavians though as the colonial ones that settled Minnesota and the like were much later. Those colonials wanted to feel at home and carved stones.

Yep, the rock walls of California are colonial. Sure there are also native walls too. Those are older. Alum Rock Park even has some interesting pre-colonial things, which SW apparently ignored, because it doesn't prove his shoddy points.

Kal
12/21/2014 3:50pm
SW has done this before when he has found mounds and old grain mills and said it must have been someone other than natives. He's making it up.

In the case of the walls, they are documented. The Spanish settlers and the locals built them as part of the rancheros and missions. Everyone here knows that. It's not even legend or folklore. The evidence that SW seems to completely ignore the Spaniards in favor of in Italian is hilariously silly. After this one nobody should take them seriously. The place is called California, a Spanish word! Most of this stuff is colonial. The natives also piled rocks. One of the tribwes is called the Ohlone, so they could have asked their tribal club. It does exist to this day. Then that would require actual research, which they don't want, so they go for the most obscure idea ever.

I still like the one way trip theory for the Chinese pre colonial groups. Even though ancient China after the dark ages (only in Europe) were more advanced, their boats were barely strong enough to make the journey, and it's a larger ocean. Island hopping occurred to them as it did the other unrelated groups. They kept no records we know of because those voyages were lost. They never returned. Once colonials started coming and going centuries later, they kept records. Did the Columbus people even have translations for Chinese characters? 

Only for trade. They knew about the Orient and were looking for it. Chinese is a picture writing language. A symbol means something instead of a letter. You see the character for ship and for water and can interpret that differently if you know the context.

The Chinese and India did trade with Europe during the colonial times and they did know of each other. Just because SW didn't find any evidence doesn't mean it wasn't there. He likely doesn't even speak Chinese.

The show AU mixes colonial times with ancient times frequently based on bad evidence, hoaxes, and made up stories. Attempts to ask the right questions of actual knowledgeable people are few and far between.

The genetic facts prove that the Native Americans were here thousands of years before the colonial Europeans ever were there. But since then they are so intermingled they're finding mixed groups with combined cultures.

Marco Polo did not come here. The Spanish did in colonial times, and they added rock walls, state, city and street names, and even a road that runs through San Jose called the King's Highway, (El Camino Real), implicating they wanted the king of Spain to come and visit the ranchers. (Update. No, they meant God).
 
Alum Rock marks the site of a colonial quarry near the site of a pre colonial settlement.

Ed Levin lake is man made from the 1950s or so. The park was on this old ranch land. They had peach orchards. Some of the orchard is still off Piedmont Road, named for many other Piedmont roads, including one in Duluth, Minnesota. I suppose SW will think that thus vikings settled California! Nope. Piedmont is Latin for foothill, and we use the English word 'foothill' to describe the low rolling hills the road is on.

By Colonial times the Chinese could come and easy did come to the Americas. Most of the current Chinese settlements are colonial, as they were laborers and ranch hands. The settling of San Francisco Bay is well known. The colonials also made it up to Seattle but not Marco Polo or that alleged admiral.

Milpitas is a combination of Spanish and local dialects and means either land of a thousand gardens, or land of a thousand cornfields.

Since it's also Silicon Valley and we're all extremely OCD about detail, we know quite well about the old history of the place.

Sure there are Chinese people who have records of their colonial voyagers, and if you asked properly, have records of those one way trips centuries before that.

Kal
12/22/2014 2:16pm
SW should not be hitting rocks with a hammer on a county park land on TV. No wonder they keep kicking him out. His forgetting entirely the Spanish heritage of the valley, or ignoring it, is extremely messed up, not scientific, and utterly baffling. Forensic geology. Bah! The Ohlone and the Mexicans are probably laughing about this episode.

Alum was allegedly a precious element the later Gold Rush settlers thought was on Alum Rock and so they built a resort there, not just a quarry, where they had bath houses through natural springs, and a brothel. Some of the natural springs still remain even after the water table fell in more modern times. The remnant of the warm springs and mission trails run through the valley to other settlements.

The area is rich with relatively modern history, after the Mexican history, but SW ignores both in favor of tapping on 300 year old stones. Actually they're from about the 1600s so that's a little off. Some of those stone markers are still land boundaries, (the never ones by Caucasian settlers), had he looked in the freaking county records, which he didn't.
 
I would recommend Ed Levin and Alum Rock parks not let him back in. Good day. (I'm not actually going to call them, as I'm sure they've seen this mess already, but it was fun to watch).


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